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  The Governing Body's credibility

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  given the proliferation of websites, youtube channels, books and other forms of media attention focusing on the extreme policies, teachings and scandals of the watchtower bible and tract society; where does this now leave the governing body's credibility?.

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  Doubting Bro

  I echo what everyone else says, internally they are untouchable. Externally they are irrelevant.
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  Mind control

  by Jrjw in

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  ive just watched on youtube the b.i.t.e model of cult mind control by steve hassan.

  all 23 steps apply to the wts.

  its awful knowing i was tricked and how subtly it was done without me even knowing.

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  Doubting Bro

  Jrjw - Nothing you can do about the past. Just focus on the future for yourself and your kids. Believe me, I still get angry at myself for not realizing things sooner. But, its a meaningless exercise to beat yourself up over the past. Learn from it and most importantly, teach those critical thinking skills to your kids so they don't get involved with a cult (JW or otherwise) in the future.

  By the way, it was Hassan's BITE model that really convinced me that JWs are a cult not just a somewhat controlling religion. If you honestly apply it, almost every sign is applicable.
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  what big change could bring down the watchtower?

  by stan livedeath in

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  what single big change do you think could back fire and bring the cult down ?.

  me: tithing..

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  Doubting Bro

  It depends on what you mean by being brought down. I can see splinter groups meeting in private homes discussing and believing WT doctrine for decades after the WT organization collapses (if it does). If you mean, ceasing to exist in the form and size they are now, nothing short of dropping all their unique teachings ala WCOG (which by the way is STILL around under a different name) would do it to the extent that they disappear. I doubt that would do it either. Will they get smaller as the years go by? Yes, I think the evidence points to them hitting their high water mark. But, I just don't see them disappearing. Look at the number of fringe religious groups out there. Now with the internet, you can hold virtual meetings that connect small groups from across the globe.

  Tithing - I agree with Morph. It would be a shock at first and fringe folks like me could use it as a reason to leave. But they don't care about those people anyway. If you can convince parents to cut off their own kids, you can certainly convince people to give you money.

  Shunning - dropping that would definitely impact the numbers as faders/fringe JWs could walk away without repercussions although many hard core JWs would still shun them. It's simply too ingrained in the culture. It would take an entire generation or two for the shunning to stop.

  Doctrine - LOL - They make changes all the time with little to no impact. Most JWs don't even know their latest teachings.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Doubting Bro

  The Pardon case is likely going to be settled as well. In cases where the rapist is an elder, Zalkin seems to developed a good strategy. Hopefully he will continue to be successful and hurt the WT bad enough that they will be more proactive in protecting kids from predators that use the cover of a religious organization to find their victims. All organizations that have kids around have a duty to provide an atmosphere where they can't be hurt by adults.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018

  by darkspilver in

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  2. child-abuse

  jehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.

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  Doubting Bro

  Yep this is watchtower's playbook. Wear down the plaintiff for years and when they run out of appeals settle out of court.

  And if you are a large corporation looking to protect its assets, that is the right course. However, this is a) a child that was raped and b) an organization that is supposed to be the "earthly part of God's organization". Of course, this is exactly what Jesus would do, right??? Uh wait a minute.......
  
  
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  Will The Governing Body Sell Out The Watchtower Corporation In A Plea Bargin With Prosecutors?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as the lawsuits continue to increase world wide against the watchtower corporation and it's branches,, things could get very dire for the governing body to plea bargin for a lighter sentence and so turn over crucial evidence against their fellow f&dss, technically beat their fellow slave and what not.. now i know a lot of you will be thinking: "what on earth could lead to the gb blowing the whistle on fellow his fellow gbs?

  " i think that a legitimate question and offer no answer but just use your imagination as if this thing led them to make a run to the opposition to rat on others to get a lighter sentence.. hey i'm thinking about man's powerful desire to save one's own skin at the expense of his loyal companion..

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  The only way they would face criminal charges is if one of them 1) abused a kid and 2) the statue of limitations hasn't yet run out. For example, I just looked up New York since that's where these bozos live and the SOL for criminal offenses that are not punishable by life in prison is 6 years.

  It seems highly unlikely that one of them has done something like that in the last 6 years although anything is possible.

  I doubt they are worried about criminal charges. It's the liability lawsuits that are causing them some heartburn.
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  Matthew 24:34 NEW UNDERSTANDING (January 2018 JW Broadcasting)

  by Alfred in

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  2. beliefs

  david splane explains newest understanding" of 'this generation" adding a 3rd group.... .

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  Doubting Bro

  Of course nothing I could say would ever invalidate your precious cult leaders direction. By the way, I'm at the boring midweek meeting so here's a thought. Look at Matt 1:17 and tell me how the Bible defines generations. Here's a clue, the same way as the rest of us. But the GB is more important than the Bible
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  Matthew 24:34 NEW UNDERSTANDING (January 2018 JW Broadcasting)

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  david splane explains newest understanding" of 'this generation" adding a 3rd group.... .

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  Doubting Bro

  Fisherman,

  I know you are just trolling at this point. But come on. Overlapping ages as in not born on the exact same date? Yes. Overlapping decades? No, that is not understood by any definition of a generation except the convoluted WT definition. The key word in the dictionary definition is contemporaneous. How old was Sanderson when Fred died? You would say that they were contemporaries? How? Of course they weren't. My father was 27 when I was born. I was 35 when my son was born. My dad, myself and my son are all alive right now but clearly NO ONE in the world would consider us part of the same generation. Not even in the context of world history. Oh wait, the WT thinks not only we are part of the same generation but my grandfather was also since my son has met him and remembers him.

  It would make much more sense if they moved the start of the last days to a more recent date. That's the problem with all their prophetic predictions. Once one part falls, the whole thing falls apart.
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  Matthew 24:34 NEW UNDERSTANDING (January 2018 JW Broadcasting)

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  david splane explains newest understanding" of 'this generation" adding a 3rd group.... .

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  Doubting Bro

  Fisherman, how is their overlapping generation definition a valid one? In what context outside the WT world would I be a part of my grandfather's generation? Actually, I knew my great grandfather! I was 12 when he died and he was 102. So by the WT definition, we were part of the same generation.

  Most JWs that I've spoke with simply shake their heads and are waiting for it to change because it defines the accepted definition of the word. While I realize that words change definitions over time, it's preposterous to suggest that the WT would be the catalyst of such a change. They are clearly changing the word to try to cover over their failed end times predictions. That's the only logical reason for redefining such a simple word.

  Webster's defines generation as:

  Definition of generation

  : a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor

  b : a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

  • the younger generation

  : a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (such as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period

  d : a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type

  • first of the … new generation of powerful supersonic fighters
  • —Kenneth Koyen

  2a : the action or process of producing offspring : procreation

  b : the process of coming or bringing into being

  • generation of income

  c : origination by a generating process : production; especially : formation of a geometric figure by motion of another

  : the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring
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  Matthew 24:34 NEW UNDERSTANDING (January 2018 JW Broadcasting)

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  david splane explains newest understanding" of 'this generation" adding a 3rd group.... .

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  Doubting Bro

  Love the last 2! The problem with the first one is that its so real, none of us would have been surprised. The overlapping generation teaching is SO stupid its beyond parody.